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Ruger LCP vs Kahr PM9: The Tale of the Tape
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7:42 pm
May 25, 2009


Monty

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A quick comparison of the physical specifications of the Ruger LCP and the Kahr PM9.

Ruger LCP
Kahr PM9
Height 3.6″ 4.0″
Length 5.16″ 5.3″
Width 0.82″ 0.90″
Weight 9.4oz 15.9oz
Capacity 6.1 6+1
Caliber .380ACP 9mm
Price (MSRP)
$330.00 $771.00



Is the size and weight savings of the Ruger LCP over the Kahr PM9 worth trading down from a 9mm to a .380ACP for a pocket pistol?

What about that difference in price? Looks like you could have a LCP in both front pants pockets for the cost of a PM9.


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11:25 pm
May 27, 2009


Buckshot

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Monty,

Has anyone ever put these two up against a Kel-tec P-11?

Seems like it would not come out bad at all.

Or against the PF-9? Single stack like the rest of them instead of the double stack of the P-11.

Better prices all the way around, also.

Buckshot

11:50 pm
May 27, 2009


Monty

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Buckshot said:


Monty,


Has anyone ever put these two up against a Kel-tec P-11?


Seems like it would not come out bad at all.


Or against the PF-9? Single stack like the rest of them instead of the double stack of the P-11.


Better prices all the way around, also.


Buckshot


Found this over on wikipedia’s P-11 page
Weight 14 oz (397 g) empty
20 oz (567 g) w/loaded magazine
Length 5.6 in (142 mm)
Barrel length 3.1 in (79 mm)
Width 1 in (25 mm)
Height 4.3 in (109 mm)

And the PF-9
Weight 12.7 oz (360 g) (no magazine)
14.5 oz (411 g) (w/loaded magazine)
Length 5.85 in (149 mm)
Barrel length 3.1 in (79 mm)
Width .88 in (22 mm)
Height 4.3 in (109 mm)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/Kel-Tec_PF-9.png/300px-Kel-Tec_PF-9.png

So although the PF-9 loses out a little size-wise compared to the PM9 it is a tad thinner and lighter (and carried one more round). Add the price savings and the PF-9 looks like an excellent choice if it is reliable. From what little reading I have done, the early models had some issues, later models/high serial numbers are better, can benefit from a little fluff and buff and has excellent warranty service. If it has a problem and you send it back, they will take the time to make it right. It’s been on my list to pick up and try out for a while.

Monty

9:02 pm
May 29, 2009


Buckshot

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Monty,

My B-I-L has a PF-9. It has shot fine since he got it. He had some trouble getting it to sight in, the rear sight was stuck (even with the screw out) with about a half pound of Loc-tite. Got it sighted in after that was dug out of there.

I have a P-11 (actually, the 10 round mag is stored and I have three factory 12 round mags for it so it is really a P-13!) that I have almost 200 rounds through with no malfunctions to date.

I just can’t convince myself to spend the 9 mm to finish “shooting it in” in these ammo-short times. That and it is too hard to give up my J-frame .357 Mag. revolvers for the 9 mm.

I don’t really like the PF-9 as well as the P-11 as the PF-9 has no second strike capability. I don’t care how good a person is, the trigger finger can pull through again (often getting ignition on the second hit) while the weak hand is crossing over to start a tap-rack-bang drill.

The same thing (second strike capability) is why I have a Ruger KP-90 instead any one of a number of other DA/SA semi-autos.

Buckshot

9:03 pm
May 29, 2009


Buckshot

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What happened to the first post in this thread?

The text runs down the left side of the post instead of being formatted in sentences and paragraphs like a normal post.

Buckshot

11:21 pm
May 29, 2009


Monty

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Buckshot said:


What happened to the first post in this thread?


The text runs down the left side of the post instead of being formatted in sentences and paragraphs like a normal post.


Buckshot


It looks fine on mine. It was a little weird when I transfered this post over from the old place, probably just some residual from that.

I’ve had a couple P11s, they were good pistols and didn’t have reliability issues. I did break an ejector once but they were real good about replacing it. I would have another for the same price.

None of my rifles have 2nd strike, same with the shotgun, not sure I need it in a pistol, guess that is one of those use what you are most comfortable with. Had a KP90 one time also, can’t recall any .45 pistol I have ever liked any better. Another one I should have kept.

Monty


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